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Old and New Views of Safety Management

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Carsten Busch

Safety Mythologist

Old and New Views of Safety Management

Community Members Carsten Busch and Rosa Antonia Carrillo share their thoughts in an open discussion about the shift from Traditional to Modern safety management styles, and challenges EHS Professional face trying to work within both. 

In this discussion, they talk about how our safety views and management style has evolved from the well-known Taylorism / Traditional style of the industrial era to the Servant and Empowering management styles of the Modern area. They will take the time to openly discuss, with our member audiences involvement, the challenges peer professionals often face within our modern day workplaces.

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Presenters:
Carsten Busch 
Founder
Mind The Risk
Email: carsten@mindtherisk.com
 
Carsten has studied Mechanical Engineering, Safety and Law. He brings over two decades of experience in HSEQ Management from various railway and oil & gas related companies in UK and Europe. Currently he works as Senior Advisor Occupational Safety at Politidirektoratet, and is owner/founder of www.mindtherisk.com.
 
Carsten was part of the organising team for the 2014 EHSQ Elite symposium and is an active member of the Dutch Society for Safety Science (NVVK). In May 2016, he published his first Safety book, the well-received Safety Myth 101.
 
Rosa Antonia Carrillo
President
Carrillo and Associates Inc.
Email: rosa@carrilloconsultants.com
 
Rosa Antonia is an expert in organizational change with an emphasis in environment safety and health. Her ground breaking articles on safety culture, mindful conversations, trust and open communication have gained the attention of leaders world-wide. 

Rosa is the president of Carrillo & Associates, Inc. a provider for employee engagement, leadership development, and coaching services for leaders of companies in high hazard industries. In January 2015 Rosa authored Safety Conversations: Catching Drift and Weak Signals

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Tamara Parris's picture
Tamara Parris

Could you please provide the full book reference just mentioned? Perhaps after the webinar?

March 17, 2017 @ 09:13 AM EDT
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Carsten Busch

I think I only mentioned one explicitly during the discussion; The Power Paradox by Dacher Keltner.
Find a summary/review on my website: http://mindtherisk.com/literature/159-the-power-paradox-how-we-gain-and-....

It’s an easy and worthwhile read. There are also several clips with Keltner online, I linked one from the review.

March 17, 2017 @ 09:13 AM EDT
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Zubeni Braga Pu...

Wouldn't a situational leadership be more effective? thinking in different strategies, depending on the person and situation such as delegating, supporting, coaching, directing, etc?”

March 17, 2017 @ 09:18 AM EDT
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Carsten Busch

Hi Zubeni,

You gave some input before the webinar, thank you so much. It helped us shape our discussions and thoughts. Hope that we addressed some of the points that you raised.

Yes, I think situational leadership is the thing. I don’t really believe in single solutions or one-size-fits-all strategies. They tend to oversimplify, dumb-down and not account for the many variabilities that WILL occur. In general I would advocate supportive and coaching leadership styles because they tend to get the best out of most people. Sometimes, however, one must resort to directive styles. Like in emergency situations when swift and decisive action is imperative.
Do you have kids? It’s a bit like raising them. Sometimes you are loose, sometimes you are strict. ;-)

Hope that answers you question. Feel free to drop a line if there is anything else!

Have a great day!

C.

March 17, 2017 @ 09:20 AM EDT
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Rosa Antonia Ca...

Hello Carsten and Zubeni,

I agree. Also different personalities react differently. For example some people need more direction to feel comfortable. Others, are very autonomous. So you have to treat people as individuals..

Best,
Rosa

March 17, 2017 @ 10:44 AM EDT
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Tamara Parris

Hi Michael,
I see you posted a most interesting question during the webinar that we weren’t able to address.

“The stress on “relationships” is a two-edged sword. I have had safety managers fail to address safety issues based on the fear that relationships may be “damaged”. Isn’t the stress on just “relationships” a bit simplistic and should be much explained a bit more fully? Doesn’t it run the risk of encouraging overlooking non-compliance in favor of “relationships”?”

I will ask @carstenbusch or @rosaantoniacarrillo to answer

March 17, 2017 @ 09:24 AM EDT
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Carsten Busch

Absolutely!

Good point. I did mention the possible cynical take on empowerment, the same goes for relationships (different mechanism of course). Recently I supported management in one district and we had long good discussions about leadership. One of the problems raised was indeed that some managers did not address misbehaviour of employees (or peers) because of a “misunderstood sense of loyalty/collegiality”. Partly because some of them are promoted from the ranks. Or they are afraid of the personal confrontation. Extreme examples for example being when you see that someone has a drinking problem.
What is showing more that you care about someone? Should you cover the misdemeanours, or should you confront the problem and try to really help the person (but possibly come in a conflict with him because he may perceive it as “betrayal”)?

Yes, we have to be cautious that relationship doesn’t become a hollow phrase or blanket-term that covers everything and over-simplifies the matter.

I hope this answers your question partly. I would enjoy further exchange of thoughts and I surely hope that Rosa (whom I regard as much more capable in this corner than myself) chips in. Maybe this is a good subject for a post on the Forum/Linkedin and some greater discussion?

Have a great day!

C.

March 17, 2017 @ 09:25 AM EDT
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Rosa Antonia Ca...

Hello Michael and Carsten,

I believe many people had this question as it is often asked of me when I present. Relationship isn't about friendship or being nice. It is about respect, inclusion, and trust. Good communication cannot exist without relationship. Thus if I have a good relationship I will be better able to tell you that you need to change your behavior in a way that could have a positive impact. In the US we call it the "tough love."

So I want to thank you Michael for reminding me that I must always explain that when I present the concept of relationship. as Carsten said if there are more questions I would be happy to engage.

Regards,
Rosa

March 17, 2017 @ 10:47 AM EDT